Friends and fellow teachers of the pretribulation rapture:

About a year ago, someone alerted me to the comparison of the harlot of Rev 17-18 to Jerusalem.  The scriptural comparisons were so strong, I could not ignore it, even if I was unable to understand the significance of it at the time.  Finally, I believe I have been able to solve the mystery of who the harlot is (who rules over the kings of the earth) with this one key scripture which helped me to put it all into proper perspective:

Deuteronomy 15:6 For the LORD thy God blesseth thee, as he promised thee: and thou shalt lend unto many nations, but thou shalt not borrow; and thou shalt reign over many nations, but they shall not reign over thee.

And so, after much research, I've put it all together in a 10 page article, which I urge you all to read and carefully ponder, and I await your comments:

http://www.linkjesus.com/rev1718.htm

Sincerely,

Jason Hommel



Dear Mr. Hommel,

Thank you for your email.

I believe you are mistaken in your conclusions.

The theme of the harlot is a very complex one. I have an article on
this subject which I hope will be helpful,

http://ldolphin.org/Harlot.html

Without taking into account the entire Bible it is easy to get
sidetracked on this topic. I am sure with further study you will want
to revise your views. The theme of the harlot pertains to the gentile
nations. The fact that Jerusalem, in Ezekiel's day, had behavior
worse than that of surrounding nations does not establish the case
that she is the ultimate bearer of the image of the harlot.

Sincerely,

Lambert Dolphin
lambert@ldolphin.org
http://ldolphin.org/



Lambert Dolphin,

Thanks for taking the time to write to me, and to encourage me to study a bit more.   This certainly IS a complex subject, given that the Bible calls it a MYSTERY!

I agree that "The theme of the harlot pertains to the gentile nations."  I agree, but the harlot is NOT the gentile nations.  The harlot controls and rules over the gentile nations, sitting on them.

Our views are strikingly similar, and I quote a line from your conclusion, "It is the harlot in league with world leaders who support an entire world economic order that is thoroughly corrupt: banking, finance, trade and merchandising; the legal professions and educational systems are included."

But you don't conclusively make the point that the financiers are the harlot.

I carefully and thoughtfully read your page on Babylon, and I think my presentation is much more compelling, and much more fitting with scripture.  Additionally, your page quoted a few scriptures which support and make my case even more compelling, and help to refute your view a bit.

It seems to me that you are making the same case I am, that "Jerusalem is the harlot", but then, you re-define Jerusalem as simply "the world, or the nations, or the people of the nations, or anyone who is not following God".

But this is not correct.  The harlot is NOT the people of the world, the Harlot SITS on the people of the world.

Rev 17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:

Rev 17:15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

That the woman SITS on the many waters shows that SHE CONTROLS THEM, LIKE SHE CONTROLS THE BEAST, on whom she sits.

Your view of Jerusalem, or the harlot, is contradicted by scripture, and does not make as much sense out of Rev 17-18 as my view.

The harlot is not just anyone who is opposing God.  The Beast ALSO opposes God, and the beast is also not the harlot, just like the waters are not the harlot.  And the beast and the harlot face their demise at different times.  The picture in Rev 17-18 is of a harlot that rides the beast.  The great harlot RULES the kings of the earth.

Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

And the Bible is quite clear HOW the woman rules the kings of the earth, it is through her wealth.  SHE LENDS THEM MONEY.  As I proved in Proof #1 a my page.

Look again at your quote of Ezekiel 16 that helps me make my main point (which I have now added to my proof in my page), SHE GIVES MONEY TO HER LOVERS, UNLIKE A HARLOT WHO TAKES MONEY:

"How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord GOD, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot; building your vaulted chamber at the head of every street, and making your lofty place in every square. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned hire. Adulterous wife, who receives strangers instead of her husband! Men give gifts to all harlots; but you gave your gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from every side for your harlotries. So you were different from other women in your harlotries: none solicited you to play the harlot; and you gave hire, while no hire was given to you; therefore you were different.

I suppose that you have read others make the case that "Jerusalem is the harlot" since you make several of the same proofs in your essay.  I suppose you are also not unaware of the other conclusions these people make, that they use this idea to support the idea that Revelation was written in 70AD.  I suppose you came up with your view, then, to oppose theirs.  But your view does not do it nearly so well as mine.

Thanks, however for both pointing me to your essay, because it certainly did help me to refine my presentation, but it did not cause me to change my conclusion in the slightest.

I also agree with you, "The fact that Jerusalem, in Ezekiel's day, had behavior worse than that of surrounding nations does not establish the case that she is the ultimate bearer of the image of the harlot."

But that is not my only proof.  I present 9 proofs, not one.

And I would ask you to read my page again, if you have not already done so.

www.linkjesus.com/rev1718.htm

Sincerely,

Jason Hommel



Dear brother in Christ,

The harlot is centered in the false church. Isaiah 47 is rather
central to this, by the way.

See for instance, "The Dragon Lady,"
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/revelation/4208.html

None of the imagery of Revelation 17-18 fits Jerusalem. Jerusalem
will be undergoing her "final redemption" during the days when God
judges--and destroys--mystery Babylon. The world has been under
gentile world dominion since the Babylonian captivity. During the
tribulation period Jerusalem will be in the process of being
restored--at last--to her proper place as Capital city of the nations.

The judgment of apostate Israel is quite another matter and follows a
different course.  One sees this in Ezekiel 20 for instance.

Jesus, the Kinsman Redeemer, and Avenger of Blood has a special case
to deal with when He returns to His own people. See
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/revelation/4206.html ,
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/isaiah/0588.html,
http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/revelation/4209.html. At the same time
Israel will be putting away her unbelief and yielding to Jesus as
long-rejected Messiah, it is the gentile nations who will be judged
for their false religion, false commercial and economic system, and
all her false values which have been derived not from Torah but from
Nimrod.

Jerusalem today is insignificant in controlling the nations of the
world. This true spiritually and economically and politically and
militarily.

Why should God suddenly be showing you some new truth all of a sudden
when dozens of godly commentators for many decades now have been
clear that mystery Babylon is apostate Christendom and decadent
gentile civilization?

I did read your article carefully. I will read it again.

God be with you.

Sincerely,

Lambert Dolphin



Dear Lambert Dolphin,

RE:  The harlot is centered in the false church.

The false Church does not rule the kings of the earth.  In fact, the false Church is ruled by the IRS through the 501c3 tax exemption, as I pointed out in my article.  And who rules the IRS?  Not the USA, but the Federal Reserve, and you know which private corporations own the Fed, the international moneylenders.  The false Churches are merely daughter harlots of the great mother of harlots.

RE:  None of the imagery of Revelation 17-18 fits Jerusalem.

All of the imagery of Rev 17-18 fits the LEADERS OF Jerusalem, the few families "who have joined together for a common purpose" (like a city) to rule the kings of the earth through money lending.

RE:  Jerusalem will be undergoing her "final redemption" during the days when God judges--and destroys--mystery Babylon.

Well, there are the "people of the literal city of Jerusalem" and the "leaders of Jerusalem such as the money changers and Pharisees", and these are not the same; my article points out the difference.  The common person who is Jewish does not in any way control the kings of the earth.  In fact, I believe this is part of the reason why God did not just say "Jerusalem the great" to begin with, but rather, "Mystery Babylon".

I agree with you that the Israeli people will be restored, and I pointed that out in my article.  Israel, or the woman of Rev 12, will be fleeing from the persecution from the Antichrist during the final 3.5 years of the tribulation, and yes, "protected by God" during that time.  At the same time, the religious leaders (Jerusalem/Mystery Babylon the harlot) who made the agreement with the Antichrist, will be destroyed by the kings of the earth.  Again, my article points out this difference.

RE:  The world has been under gentile world dominion since the Babylonian captivity.

Oh really?  What then do you make of the prophecy of Deut 15:6???  Do you think this prophecy applies to the millennium?  Do you think it was never fulfilled?  While on the topic, who do you think the international bankers are who lend to the nations, anyway?

RE:  During the tribulation period Jerusalem will be in the process of being restored--at last--to her proper place as Capital city of the nations.

Jerusalem will be the Capital city of the Antichrist's beast system in the second half of the tribulation.

Dan 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

RE:  Jerusalem today is insignificant in controlling the nations of the world. This true spiritually and economically and politically and militarily.

You really think so?  I've read quotations from Israel's prime minister which indicate that he thinks he controls the United States.  The U.S. government; that is to say, Congress, the President, and the Judiciary, all have little influence over our own economy.  Our economy is in the hands of the FEDERAL RESERVE.  Read up about the Israeli attack on a U.S. warship.  I could lay all this out, but it's pointless to do so.  The Bible is my guide, and it is what I teach, and yes, it does line up with what ACTUALLY EXISTS in the world.

RE:  Why should God suddenly be showing you some new truth all of a sudden when dozens of godly commentators for many decades now have been clear that mystery Babylon is apostate Christendom and decadent gentile civilization?

Well, as my article points out, I'm not the first person to see that "Jerusalem is the harlot".  Nor am I the first person to see that "the harlot is the international bankers".  Nor am I the first person to see that the international bankers are predominantly Jewish.  Nor am I the first person to see that the international bankers rule the kings of the earth.

However, I do appear to be unique in making the connection SCRIPTURALLY by looking at Deut 15:6, and now, with your help, Ezek 16 which shows the woman giving money to her lovers, the kings of the earth.  Typically, those who assert that "international banking is the harlot" do so purely out of what they see on the world scene (not looking at scripture), and comparing it to:

Rev 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

So all of this is rather self-evident to a great many people already.  The only new thing I'm bringing to the table is better scriptural backing to what is already being taught.  Even you, yourself, said that the banking and finance is part of the system of the woman, you just didn't articulate it very clearly, and you mix in other elements such as the common people who do not rule the kings of the earth, who, again, are the waters on which the woman sits, so that view is wrong.  The reasons people don't see what I'm saying, and don't teach it more clearly, is because of poor teaching that preceeds it, and because of the prior allegiences they have made, and because the woman has been censoring and distorting the truth from the very beginning as she forbade the preaching of the apostles in Acts 4.  And also, Daniel 11-12, knowledge shall increase in the time of the end.  In a 10 page article, I perhaps apply only two verses in ways that I've never seen anyone else do before.  Sure is slow, this work of increasing knowledge.  But that's what we expect as time marches on, right?

As it was, it took me OVER A YEAR for my brain to process the truth of the identity of the harlot after someone presented it to me, and for me to process what it actually means that "Jerusalem" is the harlot, because that certainly was not the end of the interpretation, but that's all I was given a year ago.

Who identified the Catholic Church as the Harlot, and why?  Martin Luthor, and to help his Protestant cause.  And he was wrong on a lot of other things about prophecy, too, never having seen the pretribulation rapture.

Sincerely,

Jason Hommel


Jason,

Regretfully, I have much too much on my platter to continue this
discussion with you. We may have to wait and see how this all works
out and meantime agree to disagree on this issue.

Your arguments almost sound to me like they come out of the infamous
Protocols of Zion. I can't buy the idea that there exists any world
wide Jewish underground network. I have been to Israel many times,
have many Jewish friends there and I think I know these people well.

Satan, as god of this world, has plenty of conspiratorial activities
going on all the time, a good many of these are devoted to
eradicating the Jews.

Dt. 15:6 is conditional on Israel's obedience.  That obedience has
yet to happen, except that Messiah as true Israel did meet the
requirement. (One sees this in the latter chapters of Isaiah).

It is the false prophet of Rev. 13 who takes his seat in the (Third)
temple of Jerusalem. (Dan. 11:45 etc).  The political/military
antichrist, the First Beast, is Roman, a Caesar-like figure from the
gentile nations. The false prophet yields his allegiance to the final
antichrist.

The harlot is not the Roman Catholic Church as Ray Stedman carefully
points out in the message "The Dragon Lady."
(http://pbc.org/dp/stedman/revelation/4208.html)

I have been copying our email to my learned colleague Ron Graf and
also my email team in hopes one of them will have time to discuss
this with you further.

My mentor of many years, the late Ray C. Stedman, wrote quite a bit
on eschatology, see http://ldolphin.org/rayprophecy.html. Those of us
who knew him well have yet to find that he was in error on anything
he taught. That does not mean I have bought into his ideas without
independently working  through my own Christian world-view on my own.

Sincerely,

Lambert