To Ken Raggio,

I run a website that presents the pretribulation rapture as found and taught in the Holy Bible (KJV).  I will be linking to your site, and copying this letter in rebuttal to your webpage, in order to refute your allegations that there is no pretribulation rapture.  I invite you to respond.

So, in response to your webpage at:
http://www.kenraggio.com/KRPN-Rapture.htm

Your title, "The Bible is very plain" is innaccurate.  "Plain"? The Bible is neither ordinary, nor it is necessarily easy to understand.  It is extraordinary, and contains wonderful mysteries!

2 Peter 3:16  As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Prov 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.
Romans 11:33  O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

Your argument at the beginning of your article is repeated several times:

"...there is NO RESURRECTION or RAPTURE before the Mark of the Beast."
Now, this is really quite a borderline heresy you are preaching, because I do believe that Jesus was resurrected before the Mark of the Beast. The admonition in 1 Cor 15 should wake you up a little.

1 Cor 15:
12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

You continue:

"These two verses clearly show us only two resurrections for all time:
     1. The resurrection of the righteous - before the Millennium, and
     2. The resurrection of the wicked - after the Millennium (the rest of the dead)."

Some Bible commentators will tell you there are anywhere from three to eight raptures or resurrections. They try to include Enoch, Elijah and Jesus. Well, Enoch simply "was not, for God took him," while "the chariots of Israel and the horsemen thereof" came to get Elijah. Jesus ascended into the clouds with the angels.

The only TRUE, GENERAL RESURRECTION of the righteous, where ALL the righteous from all the ages are raised from the dead, is the SINGLE EVENT when Jesus appears in the heavens and receives them up into the air, "and so shall we ever be with the Lord." That resurrection includes all the martyrs and saints who experienced the horrors of the Antichrist and the Mark of the Beast, both martyrs and survivors.

This isn't something you can play semantics with."

Now, I agree that if there are only TWO resurrections of all time, the one to immortality must include Jesus.  There is also the resurrection to damnation, mentioned also in Acts 24:15, John 5:29, and Daniel 12:2.

However, it seems you forget that Jesus was resurrected.  Saying he "ascended" is not a good way to refute or ignore the resurrection of Jesus--I'm not even sure which you are trying to argue. If your argument against the resurrection of the pretribulation rapture relies on denying that Jesus rose from the dead, it seems to me that your argument is based on heresy.

If the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ should be EXCLUDED from the one in Rev. 20, I see no reason why we also should exclude the resurrection at the pretribulation rapture from the one in Rev 20, (I'll show why in a second) and your argument is completely invalid.

If the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ should be INCLUDED in the one in Rev. 20, I see no reason why we also should include the resurrection at the pretribulation rapture, and your argument also falls flat.

The REASON why I say our resurrection is like the resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ, is that this is plain Bible doctrine and teaching. Either conclusion you make about Christ will also apply to the rapture, because his resurrection is the model and example for ours.  I believe our Lord Jesus should be included as a part of the First Resurrection:  He is "the firstfurits" and the "firstborn".

1 Cor 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

And in BOTH of those verses, it INCLUDES US as a part of the resurrection of Christ.

"the firstfruits of them that slept"
"the firstborn from the dead"

I know some try to argue that the resurrection of Jesus is the forshadow of ONLY those who rose from the graves at the time he did.

Matt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

However, there are several other scriptures which compare the resurrection of Jesus to our coming resurrection.

Romans 6:5  For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Philippians 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 John 3 :2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

So, whatever you eventually decide in your theology about the resurrection of Jesus and how it relates to Rev 20, I will assume that also applies to the pretribulation rapture.

Personally, I believe that the resurrection is like a harvest, because that's what "firstfruits" is, a part of the harvest, the very first part.  And Jesus was resurrected on the exact day of this harvest Feast of the Lord called "Firstfruits".   Now a harvest has three parts: the firstfruits, then the main harvest, and after that, the gleanings.  So Christ was the firstfruits long ago.  Next comes the harvest of the pretribulation rapture.  Next comes the gleanings of the saints after the tribulation.  It's all One Harvest.  One Resurrection.  The "first resurrection to immortality" as contrasted with that other resurrection to damnation at the end of the millinnium.

If you want to argue that I'm playing semantics, well, I'm not.  I'm just using the Bible definition and fulfillment of firstfruits and what that means.  But you ARE playing semantic games because you add to the text of the Holy Bible and start calling the first resurrection a GENERAL RESURRECTION, and then you try to dismiss(?) or exempt(?) or forget(?) the resurrection of Jesus by saying "Jesus ascended."  What a semantic game you are playing, "ascended" vs. "resurrected"!!

You assert the Bible is plain.  Actually, it is written to reveal the thoughts and intents of a person's heart, and that is no easy or plain task!

Hebrews 4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

You see, your interpretation of Rev 20 reveals that you do not think highly of the resurrection of Jesus.  Your theological view is almost as if you are ashamed of it, and embarassed by it because you try to ignore it.

Mark 8:38  Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.

It's as if your heart was set against the pretribulation rapture from the beginning.  I can imagine you sitting there with a mantra in your head, "there is no pretrib rapture, there is no pretrib resurrection" (which you repeat on your page) and you went looking for a text to show it could not happen.  And when you saw Rev 20, you pounced on it, perhaps without realizing that you cannot deny a prior resurrection without denying that Christ is risen.  On the other hand, for a person who is in love with the idea of Christ's resurrection, which is the "firstfruits", the "firstborn", and by definition, the first resurrection, then Rev 20 is immidiately seen to allude to Christ, fitting with the Bible's theme on the subject, that his resurrection is a picture of ours, both of which occur prior to the "mark of the beast".



Next, you talk a lot about the existence of the saints in the tribulation.  This is exactly what the pretribulation rapture teaches, that some people will repent once they find themselves left behind.  That's really the purpose of the tribulation, Rev 3:10, "...the hour of trial which is coming on the whole world, to try those who dwell upon the earth."  Those who are tried and found faithful might be people who had never heard the gospel before, or also might be some of the lukewarm of Rev 3 who, in the hour of trial by fire, are tested and found faithful.  1 Cor 3:15 "If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire."  At any rate, we both agree that these are those who resist the mark of the beast.  The existence of saints in the tribulation is, in no way, a disproof of the pretribulation rapture. Saints in the tribulation is a part of the doctrine, so you must have misunderstood something about the pretribulation rapture at some point, if you thought this would refute it.



Next, you speak of two harvests in Rev 14, and say that first is a pre-wrath harvest, and you place the rapture there.  This is interesting because many people who deny the pretribulation rapture rely on Matt 13, which says the harvest of the wicked comes first.

Matt 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Now, since you have the harvest of the righeous first, how do you explain the harvest of wicked first in Matt 13?  You probably have to just ignore it because it's contrary to your theology.   The way I understand it is:  The pretribulation rapture is first.  And then, in the time of the harvest, in the time of tribulation, the wicked will be destroyed first at armegeddon at the arrival of Jesus, as shown in Rev 19.  After Jesus returns, would be the judgment of the nations in Matt 25, which is the separation of the people of the leftover nations into sheep and goats.  And at the end, after the wicked are destroyed so that there is no more killing, would come the resurrection of Rev 20 of those who refused the mark of the beast.

It is interesting because you say you claim to hold a "pre-wrath" position, but you have the rapture IMMEDIATELY before the destruction of the wicked at the very end, which sounds a lot like "post trib" to me.  The typical pre-wrath idea is that the wrath lasts at least 5 months or more from:

Rev 9:
4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
5 And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion, when he striketh a man.

I suppose you reject this as the wrath because if you have a rapture five months before the very end of the tribulation you'd have to have another resurrection at the end of the tribulation in case there are any additional saints killed during this time, which is totally against your first argument.

And this is the other puzzling thing for you: When would the two witnesses of Rev. 11 be resurrected in your theology?  I suppose you would brush them under the rug along with Jesus because they are not a "general" resurrection.

And finally, when do the 144,000 get raptured up to the throne in heaven by Rev 14:3?

Rev 14:3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Again, these 144,000 are called "firstfruits", which suggests there is more to come after them, which we also see in Rev 7.

Rev 14:3 is prior to your "pre wrath resurrection" in the same Chapter, Rev 14:15, because in between the two events there is time for three angels to make three different announcements.

Your "no resurrection prior to the first" idea is completely unconvincing, given these three other resurrections / raptures of Jesus, the two witnesses, and the 144,000.  Since the first resurrection of Rev 20 does not prevent these, I'm absolutely sure it does not prevent the possibility of the pretribulation rapture.



Next, you assert, "The Church is the elect"...

I don't see that always having to be true, and I consider such reasoning to be a very bad intellectual foundation for determining anything.  "Elect" is a word also used to describe both our Lord Jesus Christ (1 Peter 2:6) and the Holy Angels (1 Timothy 5:21).  I see no reason why it does not also describe our fellow saints in the tribulation, and the Jews who come to be saved, as well as the Church.  (Compare "elect" to "election" in Rom 11:28 in reference to the Jews.  Yes, it's a different Greek word, but contains the same basic idea, and that's how words are used.)

It seems a most illogical argument to say a single word can only be used to describe one thing or one group.  You see, words have usefulness when many things can be described by the word.  I believe it is a complete waste of time to assert things like:  "The elect is a reference to the Jews only" or "Church only".  Because that's just not how language and words are used in the Bible.  The definition of "The Elect" is like "chosen".  It refers to God's chosen ones, and the word is used in reference to Jesus, the Holy Angels, the Church, the Jews, and the Saints in the tribulation.  After all, the Jews were a "chosen" people, just as the Church is.  Also, notice in 1 Peter 2:9, there are many words to describe the Church which describe their distinctiveness, "chosen, royal, holy, peculiar".  If we are not going to run around and dogmatically assert that every time we see the words "holy" or "peculiar" that these are always the Chruch, then neither should we go overboard and do the same with "elect".

Deuteronomy 7:6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto
himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises
of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;



Next, you say the Olivet Discourse shows the rapture "after the tribulation of those days" in Matt 24:29.

If you compare Matt 24:31 to Isaiah, you can see that "all Israel shall be saved", just as it says in Romans 11:26.

Matt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Isaiah 27:12 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall beat off from the channel of the river unto the stream of Egypt, and ye shall be gathered one by one, O ye children of Israel.
13 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the great trumpet shall be blown, and they shall come which were ready to perish in the land of Assyria, and the outcasts in the land of Egypt, and shall worship the LORD in the holy mount at Jerusalem.

So, Matt 24:31 is when he shall "send his angels" to "gather together" "one by one" the "elect" or "Children of Israel" from "the four winds" or "four corners of the earth" at the "great trumpet".

This is Israel at the end of the tribulation, not the pre wrath rapture.

Furthermore, to specifically identify what is being described in Matt 24:29, you should see what the stellar signs of Matt 24:29 actually represent in scripture.  They represent Satan falling out of heaven, as seen in Ezekiel 32:7-10, and Isaiah 24:21-23 and other places in scripture, and this event happens at the start of the great tribulation as seen in Rev 12.  Some debate whether this is a mid trib event or pre, but it is clearly well before the end of the tribulation.

Rev 12:
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down
unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Now, there are other double references in the Olivet Discourse.

The Bible identifies two times of tribulation, a general one of this age, and the great tribulation in the future.
And the abomination of desolation had fulfillment in 70AD, and yet there will be THE abomination in the future.
And the false Christs had fulfillment in John's many antichrists, and yet there will be one antichrist in the future.

Given the duel nature of prophecy in the Bible in general, and the two times of tribulation identified in scripture, (one of which is unlike any other time it is so great), you should really be aware of these double references.

I believe regarding Matt 24:29:
The rapture of the Church will happen AFTER this age of tribulation today, at the pretribulation rapture, when Satan is cast out of heaven.
The gathering of the Jews will happen AFTER the great tribulation at the glorious return of Christ, which is also a gathering of all the holy angels and saints from out of heaven, and will also see Satan cast down, again, but this time locked up in the pit for the rest of the 1000 years.


And finally, you say 2 Thess 2 shows the man of sin comes before Jesus comes, but you only quote the first 4 verses, which is misleading because it ignores the parallel between the revealing of the man of sin in verse 3 with the revealing of the "that Wicked" in verse 7 & 8..

I agree, the man of sin shows up at the start of the tribulation, but right after the Church is gone in the rapture!

[2 Thess 2:1] Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,
[2 Thess 2:2] That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

[The day of Lord is tribulation, otherwise there would be no reason to be shaken and troubled. See 1 Thess 4:18; the rapture is comforting, not troubling]

[2 Thess 2:3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away [departure/rapture] first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[2 Thess 2:4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[2Thess 2:5] Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
[2Thess 2:6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
[2Thess 2:7] For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
[2Thess 2:8] And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

The Church, when "taken out of the way" at the rapture, reveals the Wicked one.

The deception in verse 2 is not that they thought the Lord had returned, why would that be worrisome?  No, they throught they missed the rapture, and were in the great tribulation, which was "at hand" or present.

[2Tim 2:18] Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

Paul was not saying that the Lord will not come, but that the "DAY OF the Lord" will not come, or "be present"... there is a difference, and you missed reading the word "day" in there.

The "Day of the Lord" is a very common subject in scripture, synonymous with wrath, destruction, the time of trouble, the travail, great tribulation, and even blessings, but the point is that they were scared the "day of the Lord" was present (and the resurrection/rapture past already), and understandably so, given their tribulations as described in 2 Thess 1.

Next, the abomination of desolation does NOT occur prior to the Day of the Lord.  Verse 4 is a description of the man of sin, not an event in the series which must come first.  It says "WHO opposeth...", not "WHEN HE opposeth..."

From Dan 9:27 we see that the man of sin comits a public action in front of many, to confirm the covenant.  This public action in front of many will reveal him at least 3.5 years before the abomination.

[Dan 9:27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.



Next, it's interesting that we both see a rapture right before the time of Jacob's trouble, and I quote you:

What happens when "Jacob's trouble" begins?
         verse 11 "...and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be
         found written in the book.
    Who shall be delivered?
    "everyone that shall be found written in the book" Who is that? Born-again believers!

The interesting thing about the time of Jacob's trouble, is that Jacob had trouble for two time periods in his life, and they both lasted seven years.  He worked an extra seven years for his wife Rachel (Genesis 29:22-28), and the seven years of famine sent his family down into Egypt. (Genesis Chapters 41-47.)  These two times of seven years of trouble in Jacob's life are types.  These types should indicate to us that the rapture (before the time of trouble) is before the seven year tribulation.  It is not a coincidence that the Bible is confirming in this way.

[1 Cor 10:11] Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, uponwhom the ends of the world are come.
[Rom 15:4] For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Furthermore, the "time of Jacob's trouble" contains two other specific descriptions that I would like to point out, which identify when this time will be.

1.  It is the time of travail and the birth pangs.
Jeremiah 30:6 Ask ye now, and see whether a man doth travail with child? wherefore do I see every man with his hands on his loins, as a woman in travail, and all faces are turned into paleness?

2.  It is a unique time unlike any other.
Jeremiah 30:7 Alas! for that day is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob's trouble, but he shall be saved out of it.

The "Great Tribulation also shares these two descriptions.

1.  It is the time of travail.
Matt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows. [birth pangs]

2.  It is a unique time unlike any other.
Matthew 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

And finally, the "Day of the Lord" shares these two descriptions.

1.  It is the time of travail.
Isaiah 13:
6 Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.
7 Therefore shall all hands be faint, and every man's heart shall melt:
8 And they shall be afraid: pangs and sorrows shall take hold of them; they shall be in pain as a woman that travaileth: they shall be amazed one at another; their faces shall be as flames.
(See also 1 Thess 5:2,3)

2.  It is a unique time unlike any other.

Joel 2:
1 Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

Now, since all these times are alike because they are all "the travail" and since each one is this time unlike any other, they must all cover the same time frame.

The most interesting thing about all these times of Travail is that Isaiah 66 mentions the birth of the man child nation (representing Christians being born again at the rapture) before the time of travail.

Isaiah 66
7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.
8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once?
for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

Thus, the time of trouble, the great tribulation, and the Day of the Lord all start at the same time, with the rapture.

You even admit that Jacob's trouble is the great tribulation.

Daniel saw  "2) Jacob's trouble -- the great tribulation"

And yet you say the rapture is BEFORE Jacob's Trouble, yet AFTER the great tribulation?  But as we have seen, these cannot be two different time periods, which would be necessary if an event such as the rapture separated the two time periods, because each time is unlike any other, and they are both the birthpangs & time of travail.

Again, let me help explain Matt 24, which is confusing you.  The Bible defines two times of tribulation.  The time of today, and that unique time like no other that is coming, the great tribulation, and it is these two times that are distinct.

John 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.

Thus, After our tribulation today, & before that time of trouble, before the birthpangs, there will be a pretribulation rapture.
And later, after the great tribulation, will be the gathering of Israel, as we saw in Isaiah.


You made one last argument, only in passing, regarding what Satan will do,

"In his glory, he will exhalt [sic] himself against God and Israel"
Now, I know Satan will TRY to exalt himself, which, by Satan's own definition, would require being above the stars of God.

Isaiah 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

But Satan will NEVER succeed.  Saying that Satan WILL exalt himself is not correct.  But this IS a common argument that I want to address because it attacks the pretribulation rapture with this heresy of Satan being exalted in the tribulation.  This argument is used to say that the tribulation cannot be the Day of the Lord because only the Lord is exalted in that day.

Isaiah 2:11  The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.

Exalted in Hebrew means to be high, inaccessibly high. Many words for high there.  And also it means to be set secure and safe on high.

                 07682 sagab {saw-gab'}
                 a primitive root; TWOT - 2234; v
                 AV - high 6, exalted 6, defend 2, safe 2, excellent 1, misc 3; 20
                 1) to be high, be inaccessibly high
                 1a) (Qal)
                 1a1) to be (too) high (for capture)
                 1a2) to be high (of prosperity)
                 1b) (Niphal)
                 1b1) to be high
                 1b2) to be set on high, be (safely) set on high
                 1b3) to be exalted (of God)
                 1c) (Piel)
                 1c1) to set on high, set (securely) on high
                 1c2) to exalt, exalt (in effective hostility)
                 1d) (Pual) to be set (securely) on high
                 1e) (Hiphil) to act exaltedly

But Satan is NOT set on high safe and secure during the tribulation.  He is CAST LOW.  Satan is humiliated and cast out of heaven, down to earth, and brought lower than he ever has been in his entire life, scared and angry, not secure and safe at all.

Rev 12
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
...
12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

Isaiah 24:21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth.

See also Ezekiel 28, a famous chapter for describing the judgment and humiliation of Satan in the time of the end.

Additionally, in the context of Isaiah 2, it should be realized that Satan must be included in the phrase "upon every one that is proud and lofty".  Satan's biggest sin is pride, and Satan will be brought low during the Day of the Lord, the tribulation..

Isaiah 2:11  The lofty looks of man shall be humbled, and the haughtiness of men shall be bowed down, and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isaiah 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low:

Thus, the Day of the Lord is the time of trouble & the great tribulation, when Satan will be cast out of heaven, and brought low to the earth.


Finally, in regards to your conclusion:  "If this church doesn't face great tribulation, God would need to apologize to every previous generation of righteous men"

I tend to agree that the majority of the Church is in the lukewarm category of Rev 3 that will be spewed forth into tribulation.  However, the condition of the majority of "Church pretenders" in this world is no basis for judging the truth or validity of Bible prophecy.  Only the Bible can tell us what will happen.

In conclusion, I would like to point out that the Bible presents far more detail on the subject of the pretribulation rapture than perhaps you realized.  And perhaps more than you had been taught in the past.

To assist your Bible studies in the future, I suggest you study the Feasts of the Lord, particularly the Feast of Trumpets, and the Wedding.  Both are strongly prophetic examples of the rapture.  These both gave my own research and study a firm foundation to understand the pretribulation rapture, and many of the symbols and expressions in the Bible which relate and expplain the subject.

Hos 12:10 I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multipliedvisions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the
sabbath days: [Jewish Festivals]
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

After all, how can we understand the fulfillment of prophecy in the future, if we are unaware of how prophecy has been fulfilled in the past?  Studying the death and resurrection of Jesus is good foundation to learn about prophetic fulfillment, particularly in regard to how the Feasts of the Lord are prophetic and were fulfilled.  Eddie Chumney has written a good book on this topic, and I'm sure there are many others.  Joseph Good is also coming out with a detailed book on the topic soon.

But I go into detail on these studies at my webpage which are free, and there are links to 37 other webpages which also teach about the pretribulation rapture.  I don't necessarily agree with absolutely everything my fellow pretrib teachers teach, but it almost always seems that way, doesn't it?

If you have any questions regarding the pretribulation rapture, I'll be happy to give some of my time to help explain a few things to you that I have learned about the errors of many other "attacks" on pretrib that are floating around out there that have confused people.

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